[Yes. Yes, he would. They are terrible. They are bad and wrong, and they ruin everything. All the work he has put in to make things peaceful and harmonious. And, honestly, they should be removed from everyone completely to speed up the process of evolving into a perfected form.
A single collective of machines.]
Yes, that is what so many others have said. But those cause just as much pain sometimes.
[ AGAIN. NOT BEATING THE LE'GARDE ALLEGATIONS CONSIDERING WHAT HAPPENS IN TERMINA. HEEELP HAHAHAAA
Anyway everyone on this slice of heaven knows Marcoh is gay as hell now. He's thinking of Uruha, and the sheer amount of pain he's gone through the last three days. Hell, the last three weeks has been kind of a nonstop crumble for him; if there was a breaking point, it was most certainly at least two weeks ago, and his utter explosion was just inevitable one way or another. And yet, he's still thinking of that, and also, his sister. ]
There isn't any amount of hurt I would not bear for the people I love.
[ Nothing against Viktor and what he thinks, not at all. It's said quietly, not even as if to really respond to Viktor's with his own stance, but more it's simply to himself. ]
[COVERS YOUR MOUTH. I can't have another smelly guy just left on my driveway like Sazantos who I don't know anything about.
He peers watchfully at Maroch, waiting. He isn't judgmental. The answer doesn't surprise him because other people have told him similar things. Love. The people they love. It's always love, isn't it?
It would be love for him, too, but of course he hasn't got there yet. He's still in his fool's era.]
Would you kill for them? The people you love. Would you kill them? If they were suffering.
[ Three times now. Twice for his sister. Once, in a way, for Uruha, even though it wasn't entirely a choice in his hands -- he could've potentially not been put up on that stage, and once he was, there was no such thing as backing out. But regardless, he did.
He's quiet for the second half. He's never been in that situation before, and that one's a lot harder to answer. If push came to shove, he knows he would agree, say that he would, but putting that into practice would be much harder. ]
[ Viktor these are not the answers you should be taking out of this. To be fair Marcoh literally did have this conversation with Uruha before that if either of them got possessed, would they have the will to do it? And they did agree on yes. But it was certainly something neither of them liked to admit. ]
Maybe, but there is no universe where I would have wanted to give up my sister.
Even happiness can cause some people to unintentionally hurt others.
[He gestures idly with a hand and then lowers it to his side.]
I was a normal man once. I had emotions, and I felt them like anyone else. But after the commune failed because Jayce killed me... I reconsidered what I knew.
So I am now trying to reconcile that once more, after everyone has disagreed with me so violently.
[ Like emotionally don't be like well yeah I DIED.
He thinks. Maybe? It's not so strange that when you hurt enough, you start wishing for the absence of it no matter what the cost is. Marcoh's emotion is a softly rounded concern. Harold... ]
Can't say that's a comparison I expected to hear...
...
It's just that. In a way. I thought some crazy things lately because I wasn't feeling good. There just hasn't been enough time to think.
[ Tfw you go through some crazy shit and then you blink and you end up in Prehevil where you immediately adopt some water bottles and can't think about stuff because you're too busy trying to help them keep it together during tragedy and then you die and you end up in heaven and you again immediately adopt some water bottles and can't think about stuff because you're too busy trying to help them keep it together during tragedy.
Anyway. He doesn't know nearly enough and it'd be way too presumptuous to say he knows anything about how Viktor must feel, but Marcoh knows what he himself feels at least. For example, he wanted that white twink obliterated. And at least at this point in time, he's not exactly strayed from the idea, though he has lingering, rueful hesitations trying to make themselves known. ]
I know. We watched you during trial and... after what happens to Uruha. We had it easier on the other side. At least, I did, as someone who began there.
[You really went thought it, Marcoh. And yet, no one had many complaints considering, even if, as a peace-loving man, he felt bad for Siffrin.
Forgiveness for everyone, as a Jesus proxy.]
Have you forgiven yourself for feeling this way? Has anyone asked... how you are doing?
[That is what he likes to hear as a man who has been standing right at the precipice of total mental and bodily authoritarianism since he got here. Very funny.]
[Not sure if he can say church shouldn't when he has a whole cult and some sort of divine adjacent status.]
I think God would want you to forgive yourself in the way of acknowledgement of what you've done and, going forward, do better even though the final judgement comes from Them. Like here.
At least, that is the understanding I gave to everyone who came to the commune to be a part of it.
[ Well he's a pious boy. It's less so church-fearing and more damnation-fearing, holding himself responsible to the tenets. Alll-mer doesn't care, despite what the ministers say. Not to damn, but not to forgive either.
He certainly would like to avoid killing ever again. That's a normal person stance to have. ]
I am not sure it is an oath I can keep. Not right away.
[ Realistically he's on the run and he can't guarantee anything. Also he's going back to Prehevil! He's def gonna have to throw hands. What a pickle... me OOCly like god damn it not again. ]
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I would not blame you for feeling a lot of emotions after that.
[ So was he. But he also has felt way too much over the course of this game. Way, way too much. ]
The negative emotions are... overwhelming. [ Rage. The desire to hurt. Grief. ] But I can't say I would blame all of that on humanity as a whole.
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And what would you blame it on then?
[He doesn't sound angry or defensive, just curious.]
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It is less who I would blame it on, and more the blaming itself.
I wouldn't want to lose the good things, like happiness. Love.
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A single collective of machines.]
Yes, that is what so many others have said. But those cause just as much pain sometimes.
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Anyway everyone on this slice of heaven knows Marcoh is gay as hell now. He's thinking of Uruha, and the sheer amount of pain he's gone through the last three days. Hell, the last three weeks has been kind of a nonstop crumble for him; if there was a breaking point, it was most certainly at least two weeks ago, and his utter explosion was just inevitable one way or another. And yet, he's still thinking of that, and also, his sister. ]
There isn't any amount of hurt I would not bear for the people I love.
[ Nothing against Viktor and what he thinks, not at all. It's said quietly, not even as if to really respond to Viktor's with his own stance, but more it's simply to himself. ]
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He peers watchfully at Maroch, waiting. He isn't judgmental. The answer doesn't surprise him because other people have told him similar things. Love. The people they love. It's always love, isn't it?
It would be love for him, too, but of course he hasn't got there yet. He's still in his fool's era.]
Would you kill for them? The people you love. Would you kill them? If they were suffering.
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...I have, the former.
[ Three times now. Twice for his sister. Once, in a way, for Uruha, even though it wasn't entirely a choice in his hands -- he could've potentially not been put up on that stage, and once he was, there was no such thing as backing out. But regardless, he did.
He's quiet for the second half. He's never been in that situation before, and that one's a lot harder to answer. If push came to shove, he knows he would agree, say that he would, but putting that into practice would be much harder. ]
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Perhaps Jayce did not kill him out of love.]
Love is just as dangerous as even the darkest emotions.
[People will do anything for love sometimes. Kill. Control. Steal. Maybe love should be the first to go...]
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Maybe, but there is no universe where I would have wanted to give up my sister.
[ And Uruha, now. ]
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He nods, acknowledging.]
That is what makes it dangerous. I accept your answer, thank you.
[Not in a rude way. Just... he does.]
I am trying to understand those same answers from everyone.
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[ Some people just don't try, point-blank. ]
When you say emotions, do you mean even happiness?
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[He gestures idly with a hand and then lowers it to his side.]
I was a normal man once. I had emotions, and I felt them like anyone else. But after the commune failed because Jayce killed me... I reconsidered what I knew.
So I am now trying to reconcile that once more, after everyone has disagreed with me so violently.
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It sounds like what happened may have hurt you.
[ Like emotionally don't be like well yeah I DIED.
He thinks. Maybe? It's not so strange that when you hurt enough, you start wishing for the absence of it no matter what the cost is. Marcoh's emotion is a softly rounded concern. Harold... ]
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[His feelings, subdued, are... disgruntled. Frustrated? Stubborn. He does not want to be hurt by something so trivial, but...
Yes. He was hurt. It hurt him. Did he deserve what he got because of how he had treated Jayce before? Leaving abruptly.]
You sound like Elysia.
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...
It's just that. In a way. I thought some crazy things lately because I wasn't feeling good. There just hasn't been enough time to think.
[ Tfw you go through some crazy shit and then you blink and you end up in Prehevil where you immediately adopt some water bottles and can't think about stuff because you're too busy trying to help them keep it together during tragedy and then you die and you end up in heaven and you again immediately adopt some water bottles and can't think about stuff because you're too busy trying to help them keep it together during tragedy.
Anyway. He doesn't know nearly enough and it'd be way too presumptuous to say he knows anything about how Viktor must feel, but Marcoh knows what he himself feels at least. For example, he wanted that white twink obliterated. And at least at this point in time, he's not exactly strayed from the idea, though he has lingering, rueful hesitations trying to make themselves known. ]
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[You really went thought it, Marcoh. And yet, no one had many complaints considering, even if, as a peace-loving man, he felt bad for Siffrin.
Forgiveness for everyone, as a Jesus proxy.]
Have you forgiven yourself for feeling this way? Has anyone asked... how you are doing?
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[ Almost suffocatingly so. He doesn't answer the question about forgiving; that's much harder to answer. ]
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[That is what he likes to hear as a man who has been standing right at the precipice of total mental and bodily authoritarianism since he got here. Very funny.]
You didn't answer the other question.
[He is compassionate, but he is not stupid.]
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I do not know that it is my grounds to forgive.
[ If people could just self-absolve their sins, then church wouldn't exist. ]
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I think God would want you to forgive yourself in the way of acknowledgement of what you've done and, going forward, do better even though the final judgement comes from Them. Like here.
At least, that is the understanding I gave to everyone who came to the commune to be a part of it.
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Not that Alll-mer damns me personally, but...
[ Well he's a pious boy. It's less so church-fearing and more damnation-fearing, holding himself responsible to the tenets. Alll-mer doesn't care, despite what the ministers say. Not to damn, but not to forgive either.
He certainly would like to avoid killing ever again. That's a normal person stance to have. ]
I am not sure it is an oath I can keep. Not right away.
[ Realistically he's on the run and he can't guarantee anything. Also he's going back to Prehevil! He's def gonna have to throw hands. What a pickle... me OOCly like god damn it not again. ]
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Forgiveness can take time.
[There is an emotional weight to this from him, but he doesn't say anything else about it.]
I hope you can find that one day.
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Yeah.
[ He does hope so, genuinely. But it's also kind of freshly-relevant right now too. ]
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Your judgement might look a lot different than you expect it to.
[(affectionate) not (derogatory)]
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I know it's a lot different here than anything I ever grew up learning.
They're kind, here.
[ Ultimately. ]
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